Critics of Candidates Say The Darndest Things

[grim]

If even 1% of what is said here is true it would be a miracle.

 

Again, I want to know more about Bfrankdc and his gay escort service he runs out of his apartment on Wisconsin Avenue NW across the street from McDonalds and the US Post Office.

Edited March 18, 2006 by The Grim Reaper

[bfrankdc]

I am curious as to what has been posted here that isn't true?

 

Between me, Truthseeker, factchecker, DCistMartin, Nelson Jacobsen, Golden Girl, etc. there have been links, screen shots and other verifications to contradict the claims made by Mr. Rees and his aliases (and yes, the multi-alias postings have been demonstrated with links as well).

 

So, "Grim Reaper", if you can refute claims made by the above posters by providing links, or other third partify verification, then I am open to it. However, posts with "I heard it somewhere", or other non-proveable means doesn't cut it. In fact, I would say that the 1% of truth falls on Mr. Rees and his aliases by virtue of the refutable education claims, professional claims, marraige claims, children claims, etc. No one cares about a candidate's professional or educational background. People do care about the truth, however. On this front, Mr. Rees has demonstrated to be a less than trustworthy candidate.

 

Who is the real Mr. Jonathan R. Rees?

 

Oh, and where my background, professional affiliations and family are concerned, well, there are no concerns because I am not the one running for office. Even if I were, anything that I would claim to be true would infact be true, and verifiable via Google and other means.

 

B. Frank

 

If even 1% of what is said here is true it would be a miracle.

 

Again, I want to know more about Bfrankdc and his gay escort service he runs out of his apartment on Wisconsin Avenue NW across the street from McDonalds and the US Post Office.

[grim]

Bfrankdc...what is on Google is nothing more than what others put there based upon their postings so none of that should be trusted as being true.

 

As for the claim that all of you have the IP address of Mr. Rees, that too should not be trusted as your presence here is ill designed and you have no evidence from Mr. Rees ISP that the IP addresses you claim are his is in fact his.

 

Your evidence is weak and it all could be you posting everything.

 

Your arguments are as dumb as you are and would not hold up in court unless you got Mr. Rees ISP to confirm which you have never tried to do. Why? Because you are intentionally lying to people.

 

Your presence here has a purpose and it is not the explanation given.

 

I take no sides but I will argue facts and your facts do not hold water as they are all superficial and never backed up with real proof that the person(s) you claim posted in fact did.

 

As for your so called supporters, nobody is going to take the word of a former member of the Communist Party like DCist Martin nor Nelson Jacobsen who is a well known trouble maker.

 

 

 

I am curious as to what has been posted here that isn\\\'t true?

 

Between me, Truthseeker, factchecker, DCistMartin, Nelson Jacobsen, Golden Girl, etc. there have been links, screen shots and other verifications to contradict the claims made by Mr. Rees and his aliases (and yes, the multi-alias postings have been demonstrated with links as well).

 

So, \\\"Grim Reaper\\\", if you can refute claims made by the above posters by providing links, or other third partify verification, then I am open to it. However, posts with \\\"I heard it somewhere\\\", or other non-proveable means doesn\\\'t cut it. In fact, I would say that the 1% of truth falls on Mr. Rees and his aliases by virtue of the refutable education claims, professional claims, marraige claims, children claims, etc. No one cares about a candidate\\\'s professional or educational background. People do care about the truth, however. On this front, Mr. Rees has demonstrated to be a less than trustworthy candidate.

 

Who is the real Mr. Jonathan R. Rees?

 

Oh, and where my background, professional affiliations and family are concerned, well, there are no concerns because I am not the one running for office. Even if I were, anything that I would claim to be true would infact be true, and verifyable via Google and other means.

 

B. Frank

Edited March 18, 2006 by The Grim Reaper

[bfrankdc]

That might be true except a few facts:

 

1) Mr. Rees's multiple aliases in several Ward 3 Yahoo groups predate any knolwledge I have of the existance of the man. The IP records on Yahoo that haven't been deleted (and cannot be deleted because Mr. Rees and the aliases have been banned from said groups) are facts. They cannot be manipulated, altered or otherwise tampered with;

 

2) The existence of the jrrees_1955 yahoo profile was made before 2002, which is shown on the profile as the last date of edit. I certainly didn't know of Mr. Rees then. The "jrr_1955" Yahoo profile was lasted edited in 2003. Check the posts on Mt. Pleasant and Adams Morgan Yahoo groups. Interesting the exchanges with Ramon roy Stewart (RRJ/JRR) in those threads. The IP addresses for Ramon Roy Stewart Rivera on those posts from 2002 are the same as the posts from Jonathan R Rees/jrr_1955. Strkingly similar to the events of 2005-2006;

 

3) The existence of the several law cases cited are in third party legal servers. These are not things that I, or anyone I know, could have hacked and manipulated;

 

4) The source codes on many of the google results show dates before last summer, and as early as the 1990's. Not things that I could have created or manipulated.

 

With respect to the whole IP address thing, there is a common thread of all of the postings by Mr. Rees and his "supporters" going back to last summer, but before the "proxy IP servers" were utilized. That has been documented on DC Pages (by Luke Wilbur and me), DCist, Yahoo, Craigslist (by Craig newmark), on DCDL.org, and other places where Mr. Rees and "his suporters" have posted. Facts are afacts and undenyable.

 

Indeed, there is a pattern as well even when the proxy IP servers are being used.

 

B. Frank

 

 

 

Bfrankdc...what is on Google is nothing more than what others put there based upon their postings so none of that should be trusted as being true.

 

As for the claim that all of you have the IP address of Mr. Rees, that too should not be trusted as your presence here is ill designed and you have no evidence from Mr. Rees ISP that the IP addresses you claim are his is in fact his.

 

Your evidence is weak and it all could be you posting everything.

 

Your arguments are as dumb as you are and would not hold up in court unless you got Mr. Rees ISP to confirm which you have never tried to do. Why? Because you are intentionallylying to people.

 

 

You claim I am intentionally lying.

 

Please specify any or all lies I have posted on this forum.

 

B. Frank

 

 

 

Bfrankdc...what is on Google is nothing more than what others put there based upon their postings so none of that should be trusted as being true.

 

As for the claim that all of you have the IP address of Mr. Rees, that too should not be trusted as your presence here is ill designed and you have no evidence from Mr. Rees ISP that the IP addresses you claim are his is in fact his.

 

Your evidence is weak and it all could be you posting everything.

 

Your arguments are as dumb as you are and would not hold up in court unless you got Mr. Rees ISP to confirm which you have never tried to do. Why? Because you are intentionally lying to people.

 

Your presence here has a purpose and it is not the explanation given.

 

I take no sides but I will argue facts and your facts do not hold water as they are all superficial and never backed up with real proof that the person(s) you claim posted in fact did.

 

As for your so called supporters, nobody is going to take the word of a former member of the Communist Party like DCist Martin nor Nelson Jacobsen who is a well known trouble maker.

[Gay]

Just because someone runs for public office does not give voters a license to demand that candidates have to open up and divulge their entire life history as that goes way beyond any sense of decency and anyone who expects such should be ignored and when you go out of your way to look for dirt on a person, you show yourself to be just as dirty as the dirt you seek.

 

People need to grow up and remember that you are not without sin.

 

 

 

That might be true except a few facts:

 

1) Mr. Rees\'s multiple aliases in several Ward 3 Yahoo groups predate any knolwledge I have of the existance of the man. The IP records on Yahoo that haven\'t been deleted (and cannot be deleted because Mr. Rees and the aliases have been banned from said groups) are facts. They cannot be manipulated, altered or otherwise tampered with;

 

2) The existence of the jrrees_1955 yahoo profile was made before 2002, which is shown on the profile as the last date of edit. I certainly didn\'t know of Mr. Rees then. The \"jrr_1955\" Yahoo profile was lasted edited in 2003. Check the posts on Mt. Pleasant and Adams Morgan Yahoo groups. Interesting the exchanges with Ramon roy Stewart (RRJ/JRR) in those threads. The IP addresses for Ramon Roy Stewart Rivera on those posts from 2002 are the same as the posts from Jonathan R Rees/jrr_1955. Strkingly similar to the events of 2005-2006;

 

3) The existence of the several law cases cited are in third party legal servers. These are not things that I, or anyone I know, could have hacked and manipulated;

 

4) The source codes on many of the google results show dates before last summer, and as early as the 1990\'s. Not things that I could have created or manipulated.

 

With respect to the whole IP address thing, there is a common thread of all of the postings by Mr. Rees and his \"supporters\" going back to last summer, but before the \"proxy IP servers\" were utilized. That has been documented on DC Pages (by Luke Wilbur and me), DCist, Yahoo, Craigslist (by Craig newmark), on DCDL.org, and other places where Mr. Rees and \"his suporters\" have posted. Facts are afacts and undenyable.

 

Indeed, there is a pattern as well even when the proxy IP servers are being used.

 

B. Frank

You claim I am intentionally lying.

 

Please specify any or all lies I have posted on this forum.

 

B. Frank

[factchecker2]

How about the simple request that Jonathan Rees say where he went to school?

 

We're still waiting.

 

 

Just because someone runs for public office does not give voters a license to demand that candidates have to open up and divulge their entire life history as that goes way beyond any sense of decency and anyone who expects such should be ignored and when you go out of your way to look for dirt on a person, you show yourself to be just as dirty as the dirt you seek.

 

People need to grow up and remember that you are not without sin.

[bfrankdc]

While that is true, Mr. Rees is the one to have claimed:

 

-there is one deceased wife and one current wife, and that was all. No mention of the others;

-no children, two children, three children, three children and a foster child-- twins, not twins, whatever;

- Was it NYU or Columbia U?

- What was the professional history? Because none of it matches, nonr is there any professional record;

- What is "Jonathan Rees & Company" and why wasn't that on the previously disclosed, but now deleted CV?

- The multitude of court cases with one sided stories that contradict the public record;

 

You see, there is no obligation for a candidate to put personal history on the record. However, when they do, and it proves to not be valid, it raises questions about the legitimacy of the rest of the picture.

 

There is no "looking for dirt", but rather the regular due diligence any voter would perform on any candidate for office. Seems to me that the candidate in question is trying to sweep the dirt under the rug, but the rug is too full.

 

Just my two cents.

 

B. Frank

 

Just because someone runs for public office does not give voters a license to demand that candidates have to open up and divulge their entire life history as that goes way beyond any sense of decency and anyone who expects such should be ignored and when you go out of your way to look for dirt on a person, you show yourself to be just as dirty as the dirt you seek.

 

People need to grow up and remember that you are not without sin.

[Gay]

Again, what right do any of you have to know how many wives, children and so on a candidate has had? I think when you demand such, you are crossing a line of decency as such a questions should never be demanded. This is just my point of view.

 

I have seen Rees twice with his wife when shopping at the Safeway on Wisconsin Avenue but never accompanied by any children. Other than this, I know nothing about his family nor would I go so far as to ask him as that would be disrepectful.

 

 

While that is true, Mr. Rees is the one to have claimed:

 

-there is one deceased wife and one current wife, and that was all. No mention of the others;

-no children, two children, three children, three children and a foster child-- twins, not twins, whatever;

- Was it NYU or Columbia U?

- What was the professional history? Because none of it matches, nonr is there any professional record;

- What is \"Jonathan Rees & Company\" and why wasn\'t that on the previously disclosed, but now deleted CV?

- The multitude of court cases with one sided stories that contradict the public record;

 

You see, there is no obligation for a candidate to put personal history on the record. However, when they do, and it proves to not be valid, it raises questions about the legitimacy of the rest of the picture.

 

There is no \"looking for dirt\", but rather the regular due diligence any voter would perform on any candidate for office. Seems to me that the candidate in question is trying to sweep the dirt under the rug, but the rug is too full.

 

Just my two cents.

 

B. Frank

 

 

Where did you go to school?

 

 

How about the simple request that Jonathan Rees say where he went to school?

 

We\'re still waiting.

[bfrankdc]

Because there have been numerous contradictory statements. Mr. Rees brought these "facts" upon himself, only to change and retract some of the most basic facts about an individual.

 

No one cares about the core of it. It is the lies, deletions from his website (coverup) and changes in story whcih go to the root of the person.

 

As a public candidate for office, it is important.

 

B. Frank

 

Again, what right do any of you have to know how many wives, children and so on a candidate has had? I think when you demand such, you are crossing a line of decency as such a questions should never be demanded. This is just my point of view.

 

I have seen Rees twice with his wife when shopping at the Safeway on Wisconsin Avenue but never accompanied by any children. Other than this, I know nothing about his family nor would I go so far as to ask him as that would be disrepectful.

 

[Gay]

Maybe Rees withdrew it all because too many people were checking his references and that caused him some problems with his employer, school and so on.

 

I retired from Shedd Foods. You know the butter people and we often would get way too many calls checking references that we had to put a halt to it with certain employees over the years.

 

I would suspect such was the case with Rees withdrawing but cannot say as I am not him and do not know why. I am just guessing.

 

Did you or others start calling his employers and schools? If you all did then that may have been what triggered it.

 

 

Because there have been numerous contradictory statements. Mr. Rees brought these \"facts\" upon himself, only to change and retract some of the most basic facts about an individual.

 

No one cares about the core of it. It is the lies, deletions from his website (coverup) and changes in story whcih go to the root of the person.

 

As a public candidate for office, it is important.

 

B. Frank

[bfrankdc]

Maybe Rees withdrew it all because too many people were checking his references and that caused him some problems with his employer, school and so on.

 

I retired from Shedd Foods. You know the butter people and we often would get way too many calls checking references that we had to put a halt to it with certain employees over the years.

 

I would suspect such was the case with Rees withdrawing but cannot say as I am not him and do not know why. I am just guessing.

 

Did you or others start calling his employers and schools? If you all did then that may have been what triggered it.

[truthseeker]

B:

 

Here's a screenshot of my favorite response to the question:-)

 

[Gay]

And did you write him for that information?

 

 

B:

 

Here\'s a screenshot of my favorite response to the question:-)